Ok, so when I started talking about narcissists a couple of posts ago. I am going to summarise what I would have said now. I was planning this to be a very complex post. But it will be simple. Partly this is because I have changed my mind on the destination of my thoughts on this concept. Which I will also explain.
So here are my thoughts against narcissism. I am going to start with a little red pill theory, to describe how normal interactions might be classified as 'narcissism', which I might end with this post. My perspective is that it is a term that is often well applied and I might go into that in another post.
"The case against narcissism"
Firstly, in this world is it possible, theoretically, for a concept to become very popular. Have a lot of information produced about it from different creators. A lot supporting it. But it actually is a complete destructive fabrication?
Well of course. For two reasons. One is that if you start a business giving evildoers a justification for their actions and even increased social power (I'm looking at you Christianity!) you will never be out of work. You will never be out of money even.
But also, there's a part of it that is just plain delusion.
One of the areas I have experienced times of pushing against absolutely stubborn illusion. When you can explain something well and the person simply repeats their same point ignoring you. Is when arguing red pill concepts. This is because, I suspect, a true explanation of the mechanics involved, who went wrong and where, is not convenient for certain peoples moral highgrounds.
So let's go to red pill, and let us consider a girl who ends up believing her ex is a "narcissist"
So here we have what is roughly called alpha and beta.
A lot of women think that if they sleep with an alpha male they will be able to change him. They will not clarify that the relationship is a relationship but instead believe it to be the real thing, even though it has been classified as a "situationship".
There is a lot more that goes into this. My original post I wanted to go through each "symptom of narcissism" that is often talked about on these videos and reason as to why this dynamic shows up.
For instance, the idea of love bombing might simply be that guys are excited and want to be with the girl and so they say what is necessary to say. Often, for a pick up artist. Women are somewhat formulaic. As Michael Sartain talks about; he knows that if he takes guys and puts them through his program which includes a lot of exercise and posting on social media like instagram (women obsess over social media and if you do that you can get them checking up on you all the time and fantasizing). Michael knows that if he puts his clients through these programs women will give themselves up easily to said clients.
But there is an issue here. Often, what he says happens to his clients. Is that after the social media posts and such, demonstrations of leadership and all the other things that make women conceed to their carnal mind. When they do this of course. What he describes often happens is that the girl, that Michaels client usually has known for a while. Just throws herself at him. Partly because he has now shown value, she knows other girls will be into him, and she wants to lock him down.
She has though, given up sex for no agreed return transactionally. This is not happening within a relationship. Michaels client then often has been through the program enough to get a lot of female attention and moves on, and is usually not that interested in this girl.
She will often then go on social media calling him a "narcissist".
This is the kind of dynamic that I suspect we are looking at a lot when the term "narcissism" comes in. A lot of the things women complain about are within this hypothetical. The "love bombing" is just the formulaic stuff to get womens attention. Another thing they talk about is that when the guy moves on he does so quickly and doesn't give her 'closure' or anything like that. They don't like seeing him on social media quickly after with a new girl.
Because she was probably boring, and probably irrational. Girls, in general, have no game. They don't think about how to make themselves more attractive. A lot of them expect princess treatment and this is where that will often end. Because if you actually expect princess treatment as a real world manifestation. You will probably shoot way out of your league. If you shoot way out of your league the person won't stick around.
The beta "narcissists"
Also consider something else. The amount of effort one of the people on the lower rung of this heirarchy has to put in to get a girlfriend. I have seen this up close. The amount of pain this has caused. Interestingly, and I feel I should reflect on this side of my own psyche. I have never had those kinds of feelings towards a girl. Like, despair and whatnot at not having a girl, even in a dry spell. But, I have seen it. Some guys live like the tortured immortal god Chiron, you would think, the torment will never end the way they respond to this situation. Forever suffering because of the splinter inside them causing daily agony.
Currently, 50% of 18-30 year old men haven't had sex in the last year. Many of these are virgins and have never even had a date. So, this is a serious thing for them. They are at a point many of them where they will have to put in serious effort to get a girl. Whether that be going to a PUA or something else. For these guys, they cannot "be themselves". They will have to be someone else, have to use some underhand technique most likely, to get and retain a woman. To have children.
A Better Bachelor video recently showed a man who swiped two million times and only got one match.
There are likely other parts of 'narcissism' that can be found in these. The guy that has gone to PUA's or money to get the girl, all this stuff about not bringing up conflicts because they want to stay in the relationship and "torture" the woman. Is probably simply that he is afraid of losing her. The novelty of a woman in this position, for many men, and a statistically large number, is ridiculously over emphasized. They become these queenly, princess creatures. But at the same time often hated. Because the female rejection came first.
All this stuff to do with 'supply'. Or 'covert narcissism'.
Other things.
There are many words used in the narcissism literature and content creation. Triangulation. Projection. Gaslighting etc. Some of them are... simply evil. And only belong in the discussion of real abusive dynamics. I will come to this. But a lot of these things, are either a bit suspicious or, seem to me, that they have been misused.
One I find suspicious, and have always found suspicious, is the "discard". I used to know someone that was "trouble". One day he "discarded" me, in the friendship capacity. Metaphorically it was like a knife out of my side. If someone is literally abusing another person, the abuser 'discarding' their target should bring nothing but relief. The fact that he is then on instagram with another chick should not cause upset. That makes no sense. It only makes sense if there is something the woman desires in the man, in which case, the term "narcissism" is just a tool for control. It is subconsciously trying to shame in order to compel preferred behaviour.
And one of the 'on the fence' sort of terms is "gaslighting". I, believe I have been gaslit very carefully, very skillfully, by a group of people. A lot of these girls out here are calling pretty much anything less than telling the exact truth to women on command gaslighting. If someone gives a reason or excuse it is "gasllighting".
The term gaslighting was coined from a film called 'gaslight' where a man sets up illusions in a house to convince the woman she is mad. This is what gaslighting is. It is a term of abuse that includes the deliberate attempt to undermine anothers reality to convince them they are mad. To not allow them to trust their own instincts and enslave them to the commands and perspective of others in absence of said instincts.
Lying is not gaslighting.
Also, let's talk about the hoover.;
Guy goes through a process with a woman to get to sleep with her. He lovebombs her at first because he read a PUA book. Decides he doesn't want anything to do with her he can't be honest with the girl, A) because it started off with a non virtuous aim. B) Women don't reward honesty. If he gives her concrete things she is doing she will likely come for him, go for his reputation in a bad way because she can't save face. Women do not like being rejected. This is why a lot of guys act bad and get the girl to dump them.
But whatever the situation. When he "hoovers", is this a complex psychological abuse dynamic? Or is he on a dry spell and wants to smash? Is that true narcissism? Why does everything have to be made into an emotional thing?
Pearls of Wisdom.
I watched a Pearl Davis live the other day and she absolutely, absolutely destroyed a lot of female reasons for doing things. When they say x they mean y sort of thing. It was a true massacre of female excuses.
This on a woman making a video on "detachment".
15:25: "Translation, I was trying to control a man who was cheating on me or did things I didn't like, and now I have to make a video on detachment".
Holy crap! You know, I have absorbed a lot of spiritual teachings in my life and I wonder after hearing this explanation if this is mostly made for excuses and spiritual bypassing for dysfunctional women?
37:14: Women, we just want so badly these guys [Picture of super attractive muscular guys and celebrities] to act like these guys [picture of a beta] and they just never will, and that creates angry women.
Female responses to the red pill:
I said earlier that there is a possibility of whole industries being created in opposition to reality. The red pill reality as I have described it is pretty well baked in with a lot of statistics and data, such as dating app data. Women tend to go for the top small percentage of guys, say 5 - 10% or less. Those guys are then packed with options. Because they have a hundred options they tend to treat the girls like dirt. The girls end up being hurt and a lot of them coming out with 'all men are trash' types of opinions.
So you have close to 100% of women doing this potentially. Probably a lot less, let us say 80%. This dynamic will effect the women badly because if they were to not have gone out of their league and to have gone for their looksmatch, (most people are average), they would not be bitter from loads of experience. They would statistically more likely stay married. They will not have to lie to their partner about their body count. He will not have to compete with her past of alpha males. She will not be 'damaged' and 'traumatised' from her abusive relationship. She would be more likely to settle down and have kids early before her fertility runs out.
This is a discussed red pill point. The 5-10% of top guys, this situation is working for them. If and when they do want to settle down. They just pick a chick and settle down. Statistically, a guy who sleeps around a lot has no difference in likelihood of divorce. So the behaviour of these guys is not changeable.
The women however, are ruining their lives a lot of the time. There is a case to be made for making them aware of these facts, and to bring social shaming, as we used to have. This is why sexual shaming of women existed.
But every so often, despite the fact this has been explained ad verbatim, women will come out with takes such as "all these guys shaming women for sleeping around, why don't you look in your OWN house first and stop the men from sleeping around".
You mean, the 90% of men who aren't sleeping around a whole lot? In practice, this is what almost all female sexual shaming does. The top guys can't be shamed, if you tell them how to behave they will ditch you. The constant venom women have about pornography and the male sex drive in general is directed at the 90% that don't deserve it, and probably have a body count many times lower than the women doing the shaming.
It is like how the left still do not recognise that Kyle Rittenhouse was defending himself as the courts have ruled. It doesn't really matter. They just say it again. They just come out again about how the right shot innocent protesters or something.
Feminist/ Tradcon: "All these guys shaming women for sleeping around, why don't you look in your OWN house first and stop the men from sleeping around".
Red pill: "Well, actually that isn't really practical because it's a small number that can't be changed and it isn't working against their self interest. Look at these statistics. Whereas it is working directly against womens interest"
Feminist Tradcon: .... ..... ....
Feminist Tradcon: "All these guys shaming women for sleeping around, why don't you look in your OWN house first and stop the men from sleeping around".
The point is is that there is just a huge glut of the population. Probably both genders but on this issue mostly one gender. That just walk in lockstep and pick what they would prefer to believe. Not what is true; and are incredibly resistant to any counter narrative even if it is clearly true.
I wonder how much of the narcissist literature is just the narrative and support that these women have promoted, against men just acting normally against circumstances and often not having done anything bad at all.
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